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where is biden going to go? where is he going to go for the first crunch, the first sword in the ribs to paul ryan? >> i think the ryan plan. i think that's what he'll go for. on the one hand mitt romney kind of endorsed the ryan plan but he's walked away if it. i think he's going in on that, and he'll go in on the inconsistencies on where ryan and romney stand on the issues. he will force ryan to sort of defend his candidate and stand up for him, and i think he's also going after foreign policy. joe biden used to be the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. >> even though he's one of the worst in history. >> paul ryan has no foreign policy experience at all. >> i'm waiting for joe biden appear par thid division of iraq. it's not true. ryan has made had trips abroad including the middle east. >> they did fund-raiser abroad, too. >> i didn't know that. >> they did in london. >> i think joe biden will be very formidable. i think the challenge for paul ryan in the debate is he has to come across in co
where is biden going to go? where is he going to go for the first crunch, the first sword in the ribs to paul ryan? >> i think the ryan plan. i think that's what he'll go for. on the one hand mitt romney kind of endorsed the ryan plan but he's walked away if it. i think he's going in on that, and he'll go in on the inconsistencies on where ryan and romney stand on the issues. he will force ryan to sort of defend his candidate and stand up for him, and i think he's also going after foreign...
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this was good work by biden. let's listen. >> the irony is rudy giuliani, probably the most underqualified man since george bush to seek the presidency, is here talking about the people here. rudy giuliani, there's only one things he mentioned in a sentence, a noun, a verb, and 9/11. >> i remember that line, very, very well. i had a ryan staffer tell me that they were going back and looking at some of the research, that not only did biden do very well in his debates, but david plouffe, the obama strategist, wrote in his book part of the reason obama picked biden was because he was impressed with his debate performance. he's a 40-year veteran, and he's going to be a capable debater. when joe biden was debating in '87 and '88 when he ran for president the first time, paul ryan was in high school. so there's going to be, i think, a fascinating age gap there on that stage. joe biden is not somebody that's going to come out there and sort of stumble around. it's possible he could commit a gaffe, but the ryan folks tha
this was good work by biden. let's listen. >> the irony is rudy giuliani, probably the most underqualified man since george bush to seek the presidency, is here talking about the people here. rudy giuliani, there's only one things he mentioned in a sentence, a noun, a verb, and 9/11. >> i remember that line, very, very well. i had a ryan staffer tell me that they were going back and looking at some of the research, that not only did biden do very well in his debates, but david...
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not just republicans doing it back then, remember, it was democrats like joe biden who were saying he was going to be tested. he was a young senator. didn't have a lot of experience. they obviously believe in chicago, the president has been tested and passed the test, shep. >> shep: and that attack on the consulate in libya clearly put the president, at least to some degree on defense. >> no doubt about it. if you look at our polling in recent weeks, for example, on the question of who do you trust more to handle foreign policy? the president had a small dip. 352% say they trust him more. 41% would trust mitt romney. that's down for the president from 54% back in september. so clearly that terrorist attack in benghazi has had some effect. that is why mitt romney sees an opening here. he's trying to pounce on it. but the bottom line is even with that dip, the president has a double digit lead over romney in terms of foreign policy handling. >> ed henry live with us. thanks very much. next up, the running mates, vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan set to face off this thu
not just republicans doing it back then, remember, it was democrats like joe biden who were saying he was going to be tested. he was a young senator. didn't have a lot of experience. they obviously believe in chicago, the president has been tested and passed the test, shep. >> shep: and that attack on the consulate in libya clearly put the president, at least to some degree on defense. >> no doubt about it. if you look at our polling in recent weeks, for example, on the question of...
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he can play biden, you, and romney. he's so funny, over the top, playing chris matthews in the yeller. >> you're debating how i answer this question? >> maybe. >> george clooney, that was an outrage. i cannot believe that they would do that to you. i didn't know it was you. >> it's all fun. it's not true but it's all fun. lizz, your thoughts, will joe biden be the guy that is played by sudakis on "saturday night live"? >> i think that's exactly right and i also think paul ryan and with the abs and the p90x and they are going to -- i bet you 10 bucks there's a skit with paul ryan without a shirt on. >> thank you, nia-malika henderson who is my friend and lizz winstead. >>> groundhog day. think about t you're watching "hardball," a place for politics. [ male announcer ] how do you measure happiness? by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. or treat gas with these a
he can play biden, you, and romney. he's so funny, over the top, playing chris matthews in the yeller. >> you're debating how i answer this question? >> maybe. >> george clooney, that was an outrage. i cannot believe that they would do that to you. i didn't know it was you. >> it's all fun. it's not true but it's all fun. lizz, your thoughts, will joe biden be the guy that is played by sudakis on "saturday night live"? >> i think that's exactly right and...
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but biden is out preparing. i remember the debates in 2008s primary and presidential and after that, the vice presidential debate, joe biden does pretty well, right? >>guest: a lot of conservatives have been licking their chops since paul ryan announced as the running mate and could not wait, had the day circles saying it will be a bloodbath. i think paul ryan is a very able debater. he has great command of the facts particularly on economic issues. i expect a strong debate performance from him. the idea that it will be a totally lopsided bloodbath like we saw in denver, by the way, that could overstate it a little bit because at least, joe biden is going to come out more energized and engaged than the president was in denver. just the body language that the play some what to biden's advantage, even if he is sort of off the beaten trail as he so often is. >>eric: lets me push back, after the debate on wednesday night, where mitt romney seemed to -- can we pull up that poll? 72 percent of the people think that mi
but biden is out preparing. i remember the debates in 2008s primary and presidential and after that, the vice presidential debate, joe biden does pretty well, right? >>guest: a lot of conservatives have been licking their chops since paul ryan announced as the running mate and could not wait, had the day circles saying it will be a bloodbath. i think paul ryan is a very able debater. he has great command of the facts particularly on economic issues. i expect a strong debate performance...
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joe biden's very experienced at this. and i think that's right. because of the lack of momentum they have, because of the president's terrible performance, because mitt romney did such a good job of giving the country a choice, i don't think they have any choice but to have joe biden come right at me. >> hilary? >> i think there is pressure on joe biden to deliver a big performance. but i actually think there's more pressure on paul ryan because there were so many times in the debate where mitt romney kind of got -- changed the facts from the policies he's said. whether it was how he's going to make his tax cut revenue-neutral. whether he's going -- whether the president's medicare proposal is actually a cut in medicare. paul ryan was the chair of the house budget committee. it would be an affront to him not to have accurate, factual details on these issues the way that romney got away with not having. >> paul ryan knows numbers, statistics, stuff like that. >> he does. it's going to be interesting. there's a generational divide. you have the two
joe biden's very experienced at this. and i think that's right. because of the lack of momentum they have, because of the president's terrible performance, because mitt romney did such a good job of giving the country a choice, i don't think they have any choice but to have joe biden come right at me. >> hilary? >> i think there is pressure on joe biden to deliver a big performance. but i actually think there's more pressure on paul ryan because there were so many times in the...
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biden will be counseled on how to avoid mr. obama's mistakes and even correct them with a more aggressive prosecution of the republican ticket. it's a lot of pressure that could backfire. >> it's interesting going forward into this week, i think it puts pressure on joe biden maybe exactly what the obama team didn't want, which is biden to feel the pressure of having to do well, which maybe is not a good place for biden to be. >> let me bring in white house reporter for "the new york times" peter baker. peter, thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> what's your anticipation here? i think it's obvious what happened with the president debate puts a lot of pressure on joe biden to perform exceptionally but it puts pressure for different reasons on congressman ryan. >> absolutely. look, there's a momentum at this point for governor romney coming out of last week's debate. it stole the opportunity for the obama campaign to kind of cement what had been building into a modest lead. so, you know, people don't tend
biden will be counseled on how to avoid mr. obama's mistakes and even correct them with a more aggressive prosecution of the republican ticket. it's a lot of pressure that could backfire. >> it's interesting going forward into this week, i think it puts pressure on joe biden maybe exactly what the obama team didn't want, which is biden to feel the pressure of having to do well, which maybe is not a good place for biden to be. >> let me bring in white house reporter for "the new...
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that's biden versus ryan here. a week from tomorrow, obama versus romney. and then those two again, two weeks from today, that's the final debate before the election. so mitt romney to the, he gave this 20-minute speech on foreign policy. not exactly one of romney's stronger suits thus far. take a look at yet another poll here. the question being better on foreign policy shows him trailing the president by seven points on that one specifically. wolf blitzer, let's talk to you about all of this. joining me live from washington here. and we'll listen in a moment to that speech from mitt romney at vmi. let me ask you this, why a foreign policy speech this late in the election campaign? do you think he sees some sort of opening here? >> yes, i think that the killing of the american ambassador and three other americans in benghazi, libya, the consulate there, and the confusion surrounding the administration's explanation for what happened, the condemnation by some has given him a clear opening. take a look at what is happening throughout north africa and the mid
that's biden versus ryan here. a week from tomorrow, obama versus romney. and then those two again, two weeks from today, that's the final debate before the election. so mitt romney to the, he gave this 20-minute speech on foreign policy. not exactly one of romney's stronger suits thus far. take a look at yet another poll here. the question being better on foreign policy shows him trailing the president by seven points on that one specifically. wolf blitzer, let's talk to you about all of this....
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that's the challenge for biden. long before anyone heard of paul ryan we were afraid of paul ryan because we were afraid of what he wants to do to uh you, health care and a heartless approach to balancing the budget. >> when you talk about economic pain and the squeezing of seniors or the fraying of the fabric of the american social compact joe biden can speak with a romance, eloquence and an incredibly compelling narrative. >> but he's always the wild card. >> i expect 20 e-mails from the romney campaign proclaiming everything he said to be a gaffe. >> coming up, the growing chorus of doubt mon goring about the job reports points to a society where facts are debatable. how have conspiracy theorists eroded trust in government? mike rowe here at a ford tell me fiona, who's having a big tire event? your ford dealer. who has 11 major brands to choose from? your ford dealer. who's offering a rebate? your ford dealer. who has the low price tire guarantee... affording peace of mind to anyone who might be in the market for
that's the challenge for biden. long before anyone heard of paul ryan we were afraid of paul ryan because we were afraid of what he wants to do to uh you, health care and a heartless approach to balancing the budget. >> when you talk about economic pain and the squeezing of seniors or the fraying of the fabric of the american social compact joe biden can speak with a romance, eloquence and an incredibly compelling narrative. >> but he's always the wild card. >> i expect 20...
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. >> we saw a gentler joe biden. it may be more aggressive than we saw this time than president obama last week. maybe he'll bring up the 47% and bain capital. stay tuned, suzanne. >> tell us a little bit about that debate that happened not with the real guys, but fox news's bill o'reilly and comedy central's john stewart facing off over the weekend. >> yeah. i think this was a little more entertaining than the one we saw last wednesday. these guys dent have the burden of running for president, but enough of me. let's take a listen. >> mike is here in the audience sxfshgs he asked this question. if you could see any american elected president, who would you choose and why? >> i would say clint eastwood have to be my guy. >> well, why don't we ask him. so, um -- what? tell them to do what? >> that was one of the lighter moments. you know, there was some serious parts to this debate. both gentlemen talked policy, and i think, though, the american viewers were the winners in that debate, suzanne. >> absolutely. thank yo
. >> we saw a gentler joe biden. it may be more aggressive than we saw this time than president obama last week. maybe he'll bring up the 47% and bain capital. stay tuned, suzanne. >> tell us a little bit about that debate that happened not with the real guys, but fox news's bill o'reilly and comedy central's john stewart facing off over the weekend. >> yeah. i think this was a little more entertaining than the one we saw last wednesday. these guys dent have the burden of...
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and biden engineered a really meticulous examination of bork's record. and bork, to his credit, perhaps to his regret, engaged the senators in the discussions of how he felt about the issues. and it became clear that he thought the civil rights act was a monstrous thing, invading individual choice. he thought there was no such thing as a right to privacy in the constitution, and the senate by a vote of 58-42 said too conservative, and he was voted down, and ronald reagan nominated instead to that seat anthony kennedy. who was certainly no liberal, but he's certainly no robert bork either. and he has had a long, um, and distinguished career as now the swing vote on the court. and that really, that set the -- that really set up the rehnquist years. the court, which i wrote about in my last book "the nine," and, you know, when i started looking at the supreme court in a serious way as a writer, um, i was inspired by a book that i'm sure is familiar to many of you called "the brethren" by scott armstrong and bob woodward, really just a great book, the first
and biden engineered a really meticulous examination of bork's record. and bork, to his credit, perhaps to his regret, engaged the senators in the discussions of how he felt about the issues. and it became clear that he thought the civil rights act was a monstrous thing, invading individual choice. he thought there was no such thing as a right to privacy in the constitution, and the senate by a vote of 58-42 said too conservative, and he was voted down, and ronald reagan nominated instead to...
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both paul ryan and joe biden were personally popular. when we asked people who was the more of an asset to the campaign it was very clear that paul ryan was seen as more of an asset to the romney campaign and joe biden was to the obama campaign. i think the people are watching this vice presidental debate in part to see how well the sort of second in command stand up against each other. but i also think that people kind of watch these debates a little bit like a nascar sport, they want to see who is going to go into the wall, and i think, you know, avoiding gaffes is going to be very, very important for the candidates. jenna: it is like a sporting event in many ways. kathy, it's really nice to have you back with us. we look forward to checking back in with you before election day. thank you. >> thanks a lot. jon: at the last nascar race it seems like everybody went into the wall. jenna: it was a bad one. jon: new fears of another super power spying on the united states. a block-buster report warning about espionage about two giant overse
both paul ryan and joe biden were personally popular. when we asked people who was the more of an asset to the campaign it was very clear that paul ryan was seen as more of an asset to the romney campaign and joe biden was to the obama campaign. i think the people are watching this vice presidental debate in part to see how well the sort of second in command stand up against each other. but i also think that people kind of watch these debates a little bit like a nascar sport, they want to see...
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our most high-profile hire, joe biden, had only been with us six weeks. we still did not know joe the plumber yet. so it's funny to look back on that time. remember coming into september four years ago and we had a big convention in denver, an amazing summer, a fund toward that went off flawlessly, we had rolled out our new vice president and rolling in to september and we have a convention that big and we feel we have momentum and the next day john mccain announces sarah palin as vice presidents. you could just feel something all of a sudden. people can say what about how ready she was, but in that moment sarah palin made a pretty grand entrance onto the national stage. she blew through. i often talk about that as hurricane sarah. we had the republican convention. there were two hurricane events in my mind. they had to cancel the first day of their convention and then there was hurricane sarah. the head wind was still for about 18 days. john mccain came out of his convention in september with a three-point lead. that stretched to about six or eight point
our most high-profile hire, joe biden, had only been with us six weeks. we still did not know joe the plumber yet. so it's funny to look back on that time. remember coming into september four years ago and we had a big convention in denver, an amazing summer, a fund toward that went off flawlessly, we had rolled out our new vice president and rolling in to september and we have a convention that big and we feel we have momentum and the next day john mccain announces sarah palin as vice...
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also, the biden ryan debate in kentucky. will the vice president avoid any quote bumps in the road as the president described his own performance over the weekend and how will paul ryan perform on the biggest stage of his career. plus, you say tomato. i say electoral. find out how some trade decisions could affect the election in some key states. good morning, it's monday, october 8th, 2012. i'm chuck todd. i know some of you are celebrating as if this is some federal holiday. there is no day off when it's 29 days until the november election. if mitt romney is going to be president of the united states, then next week, iowa and ohio will be coin flip races. we're seeing a more confidence mitt romney on the trail. >> we had a little debate earlier this week and i enjoyed myself. you had the chance to hear his answers or non answers. now, of course, days later, we're hearing his excuses. >> but while the romney campaign body language has changed, both are anxiously awaiting the first good post debate polls. those will give us
also, the biden ryan debate in kentucky. will the vice president avoid any quote bumps in the road as the president described his own performance over the weekend and how will paul ryan perform on the biggest stage of his career. plus, you say tomato. i say electoral. find out how some trade decisions could affect the election in some key states. good morning, it's monday, october 8th, 2012. i'm chuck todd. i know some of you are celebrating as if this is some federal holiday. there is no day...
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this is the joe biden we want. joe biden has to be careful about going too hard at paul ryan because of just that, because of the gaffes and because he can look over bearing, and paul, a lot is riding on paul ryan, and we want to keep that momentum going from that first debate, and he has to be careful not to get into the weeds of some of these policies. >> i know. he tends to be quite wonkish at times and people listen and say what? >> well, that's right. it is important that ryan stick with the big picture and go after biden on the rising debt and our sky rocketed unemployment and talk about the failed last four years as opposed to being trying to get trapped in some of the bieden spiderwebs that he will try to weave. >> it appears that joe biden is really taking this seriously because the democrats don't want to repeat of the first debate, right? joe biden apparently has taken six days off and practicing, practicing, practicing, especially with zingers. >> yes, absolutely, and he should be taking it seriously. i
this is the joe biden we want. joe biden has to be careful about going too hard at paul ryan because of just that, because of the gaffes and because he can look over bearing, and paul, a lot is riding on paul ryan, and we want to keep that momentum going from that first debate, and he has to be careful not to get into the weeds of some of these policies. >> i know. he tends to be quite wonkish at times and people listen and say what? >> well, that's right. it is important that ryan...
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so, you're not going to rattle joe biden. joe biden has been on the national stage. he ran for president twice as sitting vice president. bill: probably a smart strategy. what he is saying there, be careful and do not underestimate the vice president, despite a reputation for having gaffs. >> well, this is what you always do. you talk up the other guy a lot of pick pubs believe he will clean joe biden's clock. paul ryan has mastery of the federal budget and fact and details. he has a way of connecting with middle class voters especially middle class voters struggling economically. he has a way of touching them. republicans should watch out for that. bill: a lot of stories will be written how vice-presidential debates do not matter. in this case those stories may be wrong. thank you, byron. byron york in washington. >> thank you, bill. bill: we have full coverage of thursday's vice-presidential debate from danville, kentucky. 9:00 p.m. eastern time. our coverage starts on the fox news channel. patti ann: you don't want to miss it. even president obama poking fun at hi
so, you're not going to rattle joe biden. joe biden has been on the national stage. he ran for president twice as sitting vice president. bill: probably a smart strategy. what he is saying there, be careful and do not underestimate the vice president, despite a reputation for having gaffs. >> well, this is what you always do. you talk up the other guy a lot of pick pubs believe he will clean joe biden's clock. paul ryan has mastery of the federal budget and fact and details. he has a way...
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i hope they release the biden on on thursday night. just tell him, you know what joe, just take this punk down. >> stephanie: yeah. >> that would be beautiful. the delicate work that biden did on sarah palin back in 2008 was beautiful. he was like some kind of master with a razor, and so -- but he doesn't -- then there was the fear of saying something that could be interpreted as sexist or something like that. >> stephanie: right. >> now just punch him in the crotch repeatedly. make him pee blood we'll say rear toicly. >> stephanie: rudeness. thank you, honey. we'll see you after the vice president debate. [ applause ] [ laughter ] >> stephanie: corey in minnesota, you are on the "stephanie miller show." >> caller: oh it is so great to be an hon their member of the sexy liberal club. >> stephanie: thank you. [ bell chimes ] >> caller: if you want to say mitt romney was a gofer on crack, when you see joe biden this thursday you are going to see a wolverine on crack. >> stephanie: i think little eddy is in over his widow's peak. >> calle
i hope they release the biden on on thursday night. just tell him, you know what joe, just take this punk down. >> stephanie: yeah. >> that would be beautiful. the delicate work that biden did on sarah palin back in 2008 was beautiful. he was like some kind of master with a razor, and so -- but he doesn't -- then there was the fear of saying something that could be interpreted as sexist or something like that. >> stephanie: right. >> now just punch him in the crotch...
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now this thursday on the 11th you've got paul ryan and vice president joe biden. this is going to be very important for obama's effort to stave off romney. then on the 16th you got the second obama-romney debate. on the 22nd final obama-romney debate. then the last friday before the election one more jobs number. my own inclination the job numbers aren't quite as "game change"ing for debates as for the reason voters know how they feel about the economy. they don't need a government report. it does get a lot of attention and we got a race that's plainly at this point even though obama still has a slight advantage in the battleground states this race can go either way. >> interesting. then we got the governor, of course, speaking at vmi about foreign policy, an area for which a little while he appeared to want to take the campaign, at least before the debate. how ground moving is this? >> reporter: i don't think it's very ground moving. it's not what people will vote on. for romney it's an effort to press a leadership advantage which may be one of the things that mo
now this thursday on the 11th you've got paul ryan and vice president joe biden. this is going to be very important for obama's effort to stave off romney. then on the 16th you got the second obama-romney debate. on the 22nd final obama-romney debate. then the last friday before the election one more jobs number. my own inclination the job numbers aren't quite as "game change"ing for debates as for the reason voters know how they feel about the economy. they don't need a government...
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it's joe biden's responsibility to stop the momentum of the romney/ryan campaign. if ron is able to beat biden, make better arguments on policy, then wow, that's two in a row, and there's more pressure on the president in the next debate. >> okay. about a month to go, little less than a month now. i think we've hit on some of the topics, but what needs to happen, talking about the presidential candidates again, what does the president need to do, what does mitt romney need to do? >> i think number one, they have to be aggressive. their campaigns are playing offense. mitt romney will talk about the economy a lot. he's going to give a foreign policy speech today. overall, it's about the economy. it's making the argument of who can better the economy, because it's ailing. they both agree the economy is ailing. who can fix it and make the arguments better? >> quick answer, does it hurt the president to be in hollywood when, or in california when it doesn't matter as much as virginia does now? or is it okay? >> i think he's got to raise money. but i do think it hurts hi
it's joe biden's responsibility to stop the momentum of the romney/ryan campaign. if ron is able to beat biden, make better arguments on policy, then wow, that's two in a row, and there's more pressure on the president in the next debate. >> okay. about a month to go, little less than a month now. i think we've hit on some of the topics, but what needs to happen, talking about the presidential candidates again, what does the president need to do, what does mitt romney need to do? >>...
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. >> i am sure that vice president biden got a phone call from the white house and said, we didn't go after governor romney as much and so you have got to turn up the heat. >>> and breaking a record, new orleans saints quarterback drew brees passes a major milestone and enters the record books. monday, october 8th and "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning. welcome, everybody. happy columbus day. kind of feels like new year's day across the country. our starting point this morning is the bone-chilling temperatures. a cold snap is gripping roughly two-thirds of the country. dozens of cities saw record lows over the weekend. the midwest in an early deep freeze including in sioux city, iowa, where they're bottoming out at 15 degrees. alexandria steele is live in the extreme weather center. good morning. >> good morning to you, soledad. it certainly is cold around the country. all right, yesterday alone, 170 record low high temperatures, meaning the afternoons were well below average. st. louis only 51, should have been 68. places that should have been in the 60s were well be
. >> i am sure that vice president biden got a phone call from the white house and said, we didn't go after governor romney as much and so you have got to turn up the heat. >>> and breaking a record, new orleans saints quarterback drew brees passes a major milestone and enters the record books. monday, october 8th and "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning. welcome, everybody. happy columbus day. kind of feels like new year's day across the...
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this thursday between vice president joe biden and romney's running mate, paul ryan. after the lopsided debate this past week, willie, the stakes are now higher than ever. >> a lot on the line. peter alexander in virginia for us this morning. thanks very much. >> a check of the day's other top stories. natalie morales is over at the news desk, natalie, good morning. >> good morning, savannah and willie, good morning, everyone. >>> an unprecedented third term for hugo chavez as the socialist leader is re-elected in venezuela. kerry sanders is live with more from caracas, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, natalie. the official result showed pentagon hugo chavez won that unprecedented third term with 54% of the vote. the newspaper headline here says it all, "six more years." for chavis's supporters, his re-election is an emotional moment in history. fireworks filled the skies. as the street party continued well into the early morning hours. a chavez victory shows supporters his brand of socialism is here to stay. >> we want to live in socialism. >> reporter: hugo
this thursday between vice president joe biden and romney's running mate, paul ryan. after the lopsided debate this past week, willie, the stakes are now higher than ever. >> a lot on the line. peter alexander in virginia for us this morning. thanks very much. >> a check of the day's other top stories. natalie morales is over at the news desk, natalie, good morning. >> good morning, savannah and willie, good morning, everyone. >>> an unprecedented third term for hugo...
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but i suspect he's going to be respectful of biden. i mean, there's a generational difference here that i think will lead ryan to not give an inch, but to not be very hostile. >> i was just going to say history shows when there's an age difference, the elder statesman wins the vice presidential debates. cheney and edwards. cheney was able to almost smack down edwards. benson and quayle, famous. joe biden, everybody talks about the gaffes on the trail, but he won most of the democratic primary debates in 2008. >> but this is a high wire act with joe biden. they are going to be pouring cola down his throat. they'll have a couple of days of bad polling. you have ryan who is very impressive but hasn't done this before. and biden who is a high wire act in an attack mode, which isn't always his natural place. it will make for a good -- >> if i can ask you this, hilary. there is an immediate reaction to these debates about, wow, how do you feel? there is so much information. and this was such a sconstant substantivive debate between romney an
but i suspect he's going to be respectful of biden. i mean, there's a generational difference here that i think will lead ryan to not give an inch, but to not be very hostile. >> i was just going to say history shows when there's an age difference, the elder statesman wins the vice presidential debates. cheney and edwards. cheney was able to almost smack down edwards. benson and quayle, famous. joe biden, everybody talks about the gaffes on the trail, but he won most of the democratic...
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joe biden is a very good debater. >> have you ever seen joe biden lose a debate? everyone talks about his gaffes on the road. he makes those some speeches. >> he never loses a debate. weap we were just saying that he beat barack obama every time he debated. >> he had the definitive line against rudy jewel yawnly. giulia giuliani. >> i've got to ask about your candidate's foreign policy address. that's happening today. >> today, virginia military institute. >> i'm looking at some of the previews of the speech. >> which he loves. >> i don't. he's going there on benghazi, talking about iran. does he really need to do this? >> yes, does. >> let me respond to that, you know. what he has done over the last couple weeks is tried, in working on the speech, is to try to step back and look at events in recent weeks and years. iran closer to a nuclear bomb than it has ever been before. syria in chaos. you know, lots of tumult throughout the middle east. the arab spring turning into some sort of dark winter. and he's taking a step back and looking -- this is the world we live
joe biden is a very good debater. >> have you ever seen joe biden lose a debate? everyone talks about his gaffes on the road. he makes those some speeches. >> he never loses a debate. weap we were just saying that he beat barack obama every time he debated. >> he had the definitive line against rudy jewel yawnly. giulia giuliani. >> i've got to ask about your candidate's foreign policy address. that's happening today. >> today, virginia military institute. >>...
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ryan losing his father early and biden losing his wife and son. and they've also spent their entire careers in washington. they actually understand the facts and figures in a way -- >> gretchen: speaking of facts p figure, the university of colorado updated election forecasting model still pointing out they believe mitt romney will win. they did this back on august 22. they had him winning a majority of the electoral college votes. you need 270. now in the latest one, he's gained five more points. do you look at this and do you agree with it? >> the university of colorado statistical poll they've done, it's been right almost every time. >> pete: since 1980. >> pretty good track record. but you can not find a democrat who will agree with you on the path that romney could get to 270 electoral votes. bob beckel on "the five," he always is like, it is not possible. he'll walk through the map with me. last week i showed the "wall street journal" interactive map. if you use the colorado model, and you plug those in, then romney does have a way to get th
ryan losing his father early and biden losing his wife and son. and they've also spent their entire careers in washington. they actually understand the facts and figures in a way -- >> gretchen: speaking of facts p figure, the university of colorado updated election forecasting model still pointing out they believe mitt romney will win. they did this back on august 22. they had him winning a majority of the electoral college votes. you need 270. now in the latest one, he's gained five...
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so we have to see whether paul ryan, who is very smart policy guy, can beat joe biden who makes shall mistake, but he's been around a long time and he those some thing. p. >> you wrote a column suting the debates ultimately are oftentimes historically irrelevant, that they don't change the outcome. is there something specifically happening this time that's different? >> what i said in that story was that historical pattern is that usually even if you have a surprisingly good first debate for one party or the other, usually they don't change the trajectory of the campaign. but every once in a while, and 2000 is the best example, a whole series of thins come together and the vice presidential debate is important in that process to accelerate the wave or stop it. and that's what we'll find out in kentucky later. >> you said the jobs number doesn't matter. is that in part this whole jack welch thing over the weekend around whether the numbers are real, does that matter in all of this? >> i think the jack welch stuff was crazy talk. and earlier in the year when you guys were down in washin
so we have to see whether paul ryan, who is very smart policy guy, can beat joe biden who makes shall mistake, but he's been around a long time and he those some thing. p. >> you wrote a column suting the debates ultimately are oftentimes historically irrelevant, that they don't change the outcome. is there something specifically happening this time that's different? >> what i said in that story was that historical pattern is that usually even if you have a surprisingly good first...
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what should we hear from joe biden? we will all be watching that this thursday. >> time for the first degree weather update with maria molina. >> hi, good morning. good to see you. we are dealing with chilly temperatures across a big chunk of the country across portions of the midwest, the great lakes northeast and even down into texas. temperatures well below average. we had a strong front push on through this entire eastern half of the country leighing behind much colder air. 44 in dallas. well below average. 35 degrees in chicago. 39 in cleveland. 46 degrees in new york city. we can pretty much say we have seen a transition from summer into fall and of course some of us even into winter like weather where we saw snowfall across portions of the planes over t--s over the weekend. the great lakes through interior northeast and frost advisories across central pennsylvania and up state new york. some of you early this morning will be scraping off frost off your car windshield and frost advisories and freeze warnings in pa
what should we hear from joe biden? we will all be watching that this thursday. >> time for the first degree weather update with maria molina. >> hi, good morning. good to see you. we are dealing with chilly temperatures across a big chunk of the country across portions of the midwest, the great lakes northeast and even down into texas. temperatures well below average. we had a strong front push on through this entire eastern half of the country leighing behind much colder air. 44...
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maybe vice president biden brings it up for ryan. >> aren't the expectations higher for biden? >> it indicated more people thought ryan would win the debate over biden. ryan is known as a numbers guy, the house budget chairman. >> mitt romney will deliver a big foreign policy speech this morning. you have excerpts for us i understand. >> the campaign put them out a few hours ago. virginia military institute, a big foreign policy speech what they're togethuting. one of the things that mitt romney will say -- similar language to what we've heard from mitt romney on the campaign trail criticizing the president he says not being muscular enough for defending the ney and its allies. >> paul steinhauser, live in washington, d.c., thank you. >>> coming up at half past the hour live to congresswoman diane black, a tennessee republican and surrogate for mitt romney's campaign who works with paul ryan on the budget committee. a reminder, the only vice presidential debate of the 2012 campaign, takes place this thursday. you can watch it live at 7:00 eastern on cnn. and always on cnn.com.
maybe vice president biden brings it up for ryan. >> aren't the expectations higher for biden? >> it indicated more people thought ryan would win the debate over biden. ryan is known as a numbers guy, the house budget chairman. >> mitt romney will deliver a big foreign policy speech this morning. you have excerpts for us i understand. >> the campaign put them out a few hours ago. virginia military institute, a big foreign policy speech what they're togethuting. one of...
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ryan feeling good, and biden maybe looking afraid here. robert gibbs, how do you see this shaping up? are we going to see biden overcompensating, being more aggressive than he might have otherwise? >> i don't think that vice president biden will overcompensate. the question is which paul ryan do we get? do we get this same sort of, you know, chameleon we saw in mitt romney who literally walks away from virtually everything that his campaigned on for two years in the space of less than two hours. i know that vice president biden is anxious and ready to do this and the president is anxious to get back to it as well. >> how do you size it up? >> i think ryan is one of the brightest people in congress. i think he knows an immense amount of facts. but i suspect he's going to be respectful of biden. i mean, there's a generational difference here that i think will lead ryan to not give an inch, but to not be very hostile. >> i was just going to say history shows when there's an age difference, the elder statesman wins the vice presidential debate
ryan feeling good, and biden maybe looking afraid here. robert gibbs, how do you see this shaping up? are we going to see biden overcompensating, being more aggressive than he might have otherwise? >> i don't think that vice president biden will overcompensate. the question is which paul ryan do we get? do we get this same sort of, you know, chameleon we saw in mitt romney who literally walks away from virtually everything that his campaigned on for two years in the space of less than two...